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		<title>By: A Millennial in B2B Marketing &#171; kmart</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Millennial in B2B Marketing &#171; kmart]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Who do need convincing are many B2B marketers. (Not all, just many.) Recently I attending a breakfast/panel discussion for those in the marketing automation field.  Social media was brought up for discussion, dutifully, and I was surprised at how quickly it was disregarded as hype/just the latest trend. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who do need convincing are many B2B marketers. (Not all, just many.) Recently I attending a breakfast/panel discussion for those in the marketing automation field.  Social media was brought up for discussion, dutifully, and I was surprised at how quickly it was disregarded as hype/just the latest trend. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Millennial in B2B Marketing &#124; TweetValley</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Millennial in B2B Marketing &#124; TweetValley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Who do need convincing are many B2B marketers. (Not all, just many.) Recently I attending a breakfast/panel discussion for those in the marketing automation field.&#160; Social media was brought up for discussion, dutifully, and I was surprised at how quickly it was disregarded as hype/just the latest trend. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who do need convincing are many B2B marketers. (Not all, just many.) Recently I attending a breakfast/panel discussion for those in the marketing automation field.&#160; Social media was brought up for discussion, dutifully, and I was surprised at how quickly it was disregarded as hype/just the latest trend. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for commenting on the social media hype in this way. I do agree that social media is an area every organization should at least consider. What I don&#039;t believe it is that it is the &quot;be all and end all&quot; of twenty-first century marketing that some afficionados would have us believe - at least not yet. It is the rare organization that has made significant inroads in the social mediums and we&#039;ve still got a long way to go before its true potential is understood, implemented and measured on a consistent basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for commenting on the social media hype in this way. I do agree that social media is an area every organization should at least consider. What I don&#8217;t believe it is that it is the &#8220;be all and end all&#8221; of twenty-first century marketing that some afficionados would have us believe &#8211; at least not yet. It is the rare organization that has made significant inroads in the social mediums and we&#8217;ve still got a long way to go before its true potential is understood, implemented and measured on a consistent basis.</p>
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		<title>By: LEADSExplorer</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LEADSExplorer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marketers already have their hands full trying to get their existing email and direct mail out the door.
Is email marketing really so successful?
Maybe marketers just keep on sending email campaigns because it has become a habit.
- Habits need to be tested of effectiveness.
- Habits need to change.
At the same time the measurement of effectiveness for social media is non-existent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketers already have their hands full trying to get their existing email and direct mail out the door.<br />
Is email marketing really so successful?<br />
Maybe marketers just keep on sending email campaigns because it has become a habit.<br />
- Habits need to be tested of effectiveness.<br />
- Habits need to change.<br />
At the same time the measurement of effectiveness for social media is non-existent.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Pearson</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Pearson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just at a breakfast panel this morning on social media and B2B and heard the very same justification you express concerns about re: #3 and #4. Just do it, they&#039;re all on, hurry before it&#039;s too late.  Wholly unsatisfactory.  I think it&#039;s important to experiment in a modest way because it&#039;s the only way to conceptualize how new technologies might be applied strategically to solve business challenges, but that&#039;s entirely distinct from launching a scalable social marketing program with measurable business objectives. It&#039;s going to be hard to give a general answer to the ROI question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just at a breakfast panel this morning on social media and B2B and heard the very same justification you express concerns about re: #3 and #4. Just do it, they&#8217;re all on, hurry before it&#8217;s too late.  Wholly unsatisfactory.  I think it&#8217;s important to experiment in a modest way because it&#8217;s the only way to conceptualize how new technologies might be applied strategically to solve business challenges, but that&#8217;s entirely distinct from launching a scalable social marketing program with measurable business objectives. It&#8217;s going to be hard to give a general answer to the ROI question.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Woods</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Woods]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura,
It&#039;s a great post, thanks - and I would agree that many, if not most, of today&#039;s marketers are unsure about diving into social media.  I suspect much of that comes down to the first order users - take Twitter for example - very few execs can name themselves or their peers as avid users of Twitter, and thus investing in it seems absurd.

I think though, that the first-order view (direct users) is the wrong one.  I made the argument to our CFO the other day that we ALL use Twitter (see &lt;a href=&#039;http://digitalbodylanguage.blogspot.com/2009/02/we-all-use-twitter-short-term-memory.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;full discussion&lt;/a&gt;) because the main users of Twitter are the folks responsible for 90% of the content creation on the Internet.  From there, this minority, the content creators, creates the writing and the links that influence Google, which we all use.

When looked at in that light, investment in social media begins to make sense to some folks.

Thanks again for the post Laura, enjoyed the read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,<br />
It&#8217;s a great post, thanks &#8211; and I would agree that many, if not most, of today&#8217;s marketers are unsure about diving into social media.  I suspect much of that comes down to the first order users &#8211; take Twitter for example &#8211; very few execs can name themselves or their peers as avid users of Twitter, and thus investing in it seems absurd.</p>
<p>I think though, that the first-order view (direct users) is the wrong one.  I made the argument to our CFO the other day that we ALL use Twitter (see <a href='http://digitalbodylanguage.blogspot.com/2009/02/we-all-use-twitter-short-term-memory.html' rel="nofollow">full discussion</a>) because the main users of Twitter are the folks responsible for 90% of the content creation on the Internet.  From there, this minority, the content creators, creates the writing and the links that influence Google, which we all use.</p>
<p>When looked at in that light, investment in social media begins to make sense to some folks.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the post Laura, enjoyed the read.</p>
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		<title>By: b2bcmo</title>
		<link>http://b2bmarketingpost.com/2009/03/03/direct-marketers-are-tired-of-social-media-hype/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[b2bcmo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura, 

Good post.

Reason #6 that i had posted in a recent blog is very related to the backlash http://b2bcmo.wordpress.com/

1. ‘Old School’ CEO mentality… While very good CMOs take risks and put themselves out there, CEOs are not rewarding innovation without a clear ROI–and consequently have not placed any value on a newly emerging communications medium.  CMOs who work for these &#039;old school&#039; CEOs therefore are not rewarded to take the risk.

Regards,
Jon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura, </p>
<p>Good post.</p>
<p>Reason #6 that i had posted in a recent blog is very related to the backlash <a href="http://b2bcmo.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://b2bcmo.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>1. ‘Old School’ CEO mentality… While very good CMOs take risks and put themselves out there, CEOs are not rewarding innovation without a clear ROI–and consequently have not placed any value on a newly emerging communications medium.  CMOs who work for these &#8216;old school&#8217; CEOs therefore are not rewarded to take the risk.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Jon</p>
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		<title>By: rebekah donaldson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rebekah donaldson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops, that paranthetical didn&#039;t make much sense. I meant:

I recall a striking example about how, when you give people a choice of different free posters, for instance, those who are asked to explain why they picked the one they picked are later more dissatisfied with their choice than those who didn’t have to explain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, that paranthetical didn&#8217;t make much sense. I meant:</p>
<p>I recall a striking example about how, when you give people a choice of different free posters, for instance, those who are asked to explain why they picked the one they picked are later more dissatisfied with their choice than those who didn’t have to explain.</p>
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		<title>By: rebekah donaldson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rebekah donaldson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think reason #4 may be the big one. Twitter, for example, isn&#039;t what it looks and sounds like to a business executive. Neither is Facebook. They sound fluffy to a skeptic. Something about the branding. 

In Oct ’08 Hubspot published a post titled, Top 5 Excuses for Not Joining Twitter that’s worth a read, too. A person who goes by @usegraymatter wrote there that, “unfortunately, I think so many of these venues are still perceived as personal journal-blogging or just-baked-a-cake tweeting...but the virtual door for businesses to engage is wide open.”

In fact I just spoke with a CEO hours ago who remarked of social media in general: “It just seems really stupid. I don&#039;t care what I had for breakfast, so why would anyone else care what I had for breakfast?&quot;

And he did a hilarious impression of someone who takes Twitter far too seriously. I pretended to take the bait and feverishly defend Twitter as a business tool.

I dare say that, were we to quantify jargon by, say, pounds per square inch, surely inbound marketers, still vastly minority, have been exposed to more outbound marketing jargon in the course of a career.

Search engine optimization may encourage repetition of certain buzz words. I myself struggle to balance a desire to hit on key phrases in published content, with a need to break out of what Peter Kim so aptly calls ‘the echo chamber.’

It would be really interesting to hear a direct marketer speculate about why I’m sick of direct marketing speak. Indeed, I have had my fill of 101-level finger-wagging about segmenting my mailing list, the cleverest way to get past admins to the CxO, taking advantage of bulk rate postage, and other outbound marketing minutiae. “But, really,” he might say, “isn’t it because you’re afraid of what you don’t know?”

I suppose that’s one possibility. If I had to guess about my why I feel sick to death of hearing about direct marketing tips and tricks, I’d posit that it’s because I’ve evolved.

Experimental psychologists have shown how extraordinarily bad we are at introspecting about these sorts of things. I gather that when people are forced to explain their behaviors, their choices are very different than in “real life” circumstances. That is, in their natural environment, the wild and free executive will behave one way, but when you ask questions, all sorts of other ideas come out of them. 

(I recall a striking example about how, when you give people a choice of different free posters, for instance, those who are asked to explain why they picked the one they picked, later they will be more dissatisfied with it than the ones who didn’t have to explain.)

Measuring people’s reactions to social media buzz may elicit theories that don’t reflect real behaviors. Depending on how some of this data was gathered, this measurement effect I am talking about might not be so strong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think reason #4 may be the big one. Twitter, for example, isn&#8217;t what it looks and sounds like to a business executive. Neither is Facebook. They sound fluffy to a skeptic. Something about the branding. </p>
<p>In Oct ’08 Hubspot published a post titled, Top 5 Excuses for Not Joining Twitter that’s worth a read, too. A person who goes by @usegraymatter wrote there that, “unfortunately, I think so many of these venues are still perceived as personal journal-blogging or just-baked-a-cake tweeting&#8230;but the virtual door for businesses to engage is wide open.”</p>
<p>In fact I just spoke with a CEO hours ago who remarked of social media in general: “It just seems really stupid. I don&#8217;t care what I had for breakfast, so why would anyone else care what I had for breakfast?&#8221;</p>
<p>And he did a hilarious impression of someone who takes Twitter far too seriously. I pretended to take the bait and feverishly defend Twitter as a business tool.</p>
<p>I dare say that, were we to quantify jargon by, say, pounds per square inch, surely inbound marketers, still vastly minority, have been exposed to more outbound marketing jargon in the course of a career.</p>
<p>Search engine optimization may encourage repetition of certain buzz words. I myself struggle to balance a desire to hit on key phrases in published content, with a need to break out of what Peter Kim so aptly calls ‘the echo chamber.’</p>
<p>It would be really interesting to hear a direct marketer speculate about why I’m sick of direct marketing speak. Indeed, I have had my fill of 101-level finger-wagging about segmenting my mailing list, the cleverest way to get past admins to the CxO, taking advantage of bulk rate postage, and other outbound marketing minutiae. “But, really,” he might say, “isn’t it because you’re afraid of what you don’t know?”</p>
<p>I suppose that’s one possibility. If I had to guess about my why I feel sick to death of hearing about direct marketing tips and tricks, I’d posit that it’s because I’ve evolved.</p>
<p>Experimental psychologists have shown how extraordinarily bad we are at introspecting about these sorts of things. I gather that when people are forced to explain their behaviors, their choices are very different than in “real life” circumstances. That is, in their natural environment, the wild and free executive will behave one way, but when you ask questions, all sorts of other ideas come out of them. </p>
<p>(I recall a striking example about how, when you give people a choice of different free posters, for instance, those who are asked to explain why they picked the one they picked, later they will be more dissatisfied with it than the ones who didn’t have to explain.)</p>
<p>Measuring people’s reactions to social media buzz may elicit theories that don’t reflect real behaviors. Depending on how some of this data was gathered, this measurement effect I am talking about might not be so strong.</p>
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